>> treasury secretary asked congress to raise the debt limb writ for borrowing more as soon as possible. secretary of treasury said if congress doesn't have move soon, they'll have to work hello, kimberly guilfoyle, welcome to "the five." it is a special day in american history. 50 years ago today, martin luther king junior delivered his legendary dream speech in washington. it was a battle cry for liberty and justice for all. it changed the course of our history. king would have been 84 years old had he lived to this day. he would have been able to witness the nation's first african-american president standing on those same steps he did in 1963. here is president obama commemorating dr. king's dream and his lasting legacy this afternoon. >> on a hot summer day they

assembled here in our nation's capital under the shadow of the great emancipator. everyone that realizes what those glorious patriots knew on that day that change does not come from washington but to washington. that change has always been built on our willingness, we, the people, to take on the mantle of citizenship, you are marching. that's the lesson of our past. that's the promise of tomorrow. >> okay, bob, you were particularly moved by this speech as you were by dr. king's speech so many years, 50 years ago. >> yeah. i think if dr. king had been alive today, listened to these tributes, i think he would have been -- first of all, he would have been amazed there was a black president, but i think obama did exactly the right thing. i think he talked about change coming from the grass roots into

washington, not the other way around. i know there's been a lot of controversy about washington dictating from here out. i think obama was articulate, he rises to the occasion on things like this, and for that matter almost all his speeches, particularly among king's children. had five kids. when he was assassinated, his youngest was five months old. she spoke today eloquently. john lewis, one of the leaders of the civil rights movement took a horrendous beating. my dad was there that day, and at the speech. so i was taken with it, still am. i think martin luther king will go down in history as at least one or two most important americans of the 20th century. >> bolling? >> i think president obama is a fantastic speaker. he puts together a nice speech, delivers it perfectly. i find it kind of interesting on this day where president obama approaches the podium and speaks about martin luther king junior,

martin luther king junior was a passivist, he was anti-war. so this overhang of syria over president obama right now, with the decision, maybe it is go time in syria on the steps where martin luther king 50 years ago spoke about a peaceful world, about chain reaction of evil, war is producing more wars, must be broken or we shall be plunged into the dark annihilation. he's caught between a rock and a hard place right now. >> tough place to be. >> i was going to go to miss tantaros. >> no question, the turning point for a very critical movement, the civil rights movement. dr. martin luther king had a niece, i wish she had spoken. i wish there was more representation from the other side of the political aisle, like his niece and hear different messages. john lewis, we'll take a look in

the next block at what he said, when he talked about what he went through, he said you don't know unless you walked in my shoes. i've never walked in his shoes, so i don't know. i hear these stories, makes my blood boil about the discrimination that happened against african americans. it really is a really dark spot on our history. >> are we a country that's forgotten about that? >> i don't think we have forgotten. if you look at the statistics, kimberly, it was unfortunate that people didn't weigh in on these more. bill clinton touched on it. we have 26% of black americans with high school diplomas when martin luther king gave the speech in 1964. 85 did last year, 85%. huge number, not good enough. 21% of black americans completed four year colleges last year compared to 4% in 1964. kimberly, great improvement, but 21% of four year college degrees for black americans is not good enough and i just wish you would have heard a little more from leaders on that because i think there's a crisis going on in

certain pockets of the african-american community, a cultural crisis. >> and certain communities in the united states. greg, you want to weigh in on this. >> yeah, i didn't see the speech, i was working, but i will say this, you know what i saw was an amazing rendition of the national anthem, which if you saw that was incredible. those girls, nothing equalled that of what i've seen, those girls singing. i kept thinking why can't everybody be that good and that authentic and that sincere and that real. and i guess that's the kind of thing that stuck with me is like do we hear anything new? all we get is soaring relevant rick without -- rhetoric. we need to evolve from political teams to unifying over similar problems. problems whether it is crumbling families, joblessness, those are white problems, too. we all have the same shared

difficulties in this new modern culture. speaking of music one more time, there was gospel music playing, unifying experience for the black community. so is hip-hop, but there wasn't hip-hop when i was there. i think that's an important missing piece because hip-hop is actually a valuable part of society. i listen to it. i don't like it when it is demonized. i think there are elements that are degrading, however, it is important part of the scenery of african-american life and american life. i wish that would be integrated by itself becoming more uplifting. find the uplifting elements of hip-hop, to andrea's point. i believe there need to be other voices. sonny johnson, african-american conservative, camille foster, ben cars on, allen west, herman cain, tim scott, where is tim scott? why not put tim scott up there. that's all you need. some other -- >> good comments.

>> it may have been that the people that organized this, clearly these are all progressive democrats. let me go back to a great point about the war. dr. king came out shortly after this, actually '65 against the war in vietnam and ripped apart his movement. his movement was nonviolent. what came was first of all, black muslims and malcolm x and his assassination, then rise of the black panthers and others. king is in a very difficult spot. he was advised not to come out against the war, to keep his focus on jobs and justice and doing away with civil rights barriers, barriers to civil rights. i think it was a difficult time for him. i had opportunity once when my dad worked with dr. king, i had a chance to meet him one time. he was such a powerful force when he walked into a room, i couldn't say anything, as you know is unusual for me.

>> amazing. >> dr. king broke down the barriers that u needed to be broken down. it was for people to follow him to start to pick him up and that clearly hasn't been done enough. >> let's listen to president bill clinton who was also there, had some interesting comments. >> yes, there remain racial inee qualities in unemployment, income, health, wealth, incarceration and in victims and perpetrators of violent crime. we cannot relax in efforts to implement health care reform in a way that ends discrimination against those with pre-existing conditions. we cannot be discouraged by a supreme court decision that said we don't need this critical provision in the voting rights act. but a great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon. >> okay. >> good point. >> the violence. >> 2016 election speech? >> health care to voter id, across the whole spectrum.

can i point something out? rev. jesse jackson spoke earlier, made an interesting point. said we are as a group of african americans, we are freer, less equal. it is true, we are a freer society, income gaps are widening, median household income gap is widening, wealth is widening between whites and blacks, marriage gap is widening. so everyone talked about what the problems are but no one talked about what the solutions are, and the solutions are, andrea hit on one, education, graduate more african americans from high school and certainly need to graduate more with degrees from college, but we also need and we talked about this a lot, 72% of african-american kids born to unwed mothers is a problem. it is an epidemic. and the only way to fix some of these gaps is if you keep that african-american family together. and none of them that i heard, i didn't hear them all, i admit,

but none of them addressed that. >> when dr. king spoke that day, there were african-american families that stayed together, it was a different world in the african-american community. then what took over, the african-american family broke apart, grandmothers took over taking care of the kids. we're about to see the end of that, they're getting a lot older now, can't take care of the kids. the idea of the rampant number of children by mothers with multiple fathers, none of whom get child support, shouldn't say none, most of them don't. it is a real serious problem. i'm not sure there is an answer to it. what is the answer to it? >> leaders get up there on a day like today and address it, say look, african-american fathers, you have to stay home. you have to help raise the children. they have to hear that from them. >> the answer is that it is not a political team versus team thing, these are all values we share, a family structure is better than no family structure,

it is common sense, it is not racist to point that out. the left says pointing out family structure is superior to none is somehow bigoted. the other point i want to make about clinton, he talked about assault weapons, that's not the issue. the issue with guns is illegal handguns on the street, gangs with guns. sentencing. you can have a gun, get arrested, get arrested, get arrested, one year you can be out. that's the issue, they're not getting the guns off the streets. it is not about assault weapons. >> to piggy back on what greg said, he took off on those issues as side notes instead of. he, the first black president, could have offered solutions. instead he went into obama care? i think that bill specifically and the immigration bill and what this administration has done has done nothing to advance the black community as far as jobs are concerned. in fact, it is african americans that are being laid off in the fast food jobs, in the lower

income jobs. they're being relegated to part time status, having trouble finding work. immigration, their jobs go to immigrants. this is where the congressional black caucus should stand up and criticize that the black community hasn't done better under president obama. but we didn't hear that. >> we have more reflections today on the 50 year anniversary of dr. king's speech. we're taking a quick break. stay with us for more on the historic ceremony in washington. hear what oprah had to say with jamie foxx, john lewis and more. we're back in a moment. ♪ o say can you see ♪ by the dawn's early light what so proudly we hail ♪ ♪ at the twilight's last gleaming ♪

i have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its

creed. we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. i have a dream. >> in 1963 almost 200 years after those words were set to paper a full century after a great war was fought and emancipation proclaimed, that promise, those truths remained unmet. because they marched, city councils changed, state legislatures changed, congress changed, and yes, eventually the white house changed. >> welcome back to "the five" on the 50th anniversary of martin luther king junior's march on washington. you just heard president obama today, here is more from the ceremony today, oprah, sharpton, and others. >> as we stand here 50 years

after the march on washington let us remember that dr. king's last march was never finished. >> 50 years ago when they came to washington it was not for an event, it was in the middle of struggles. >> 50 years ago my father watched from the white house as dr. king and thousands of others recommitted america to our highest ideals. >> it is an opportunity today to recall where we once were in this nation and to think about that young man, 34 years old stood up here, was able to force an entire country to wake up. >> as the bell rings today my dream is that something will resonate inside you and me that will remind us each of our common bond. >> greg, a lot to chew over. >> one positive, one negative. the positive was oprah, i loved what she said about the

difference between fame and greatness, chasing fame is bad, chasing greatness is good. you can be great locally, forget famous globally. look at miley cyrus, she is not great but famous. the down side, seeing sharpton. he sticks in my crawl. and rosenbaum that died because of the riots, going from martin luther king to sharpton is like going from truffles to tw twizzlers. >> i like them. >> every movement has one leader you don't like. there are plenty white leaders i don't like. >> more like a sour patch kid, you go ew. >> makes you pucker. >> you want to weigh in? >> it occurred to me, i forgot martin luther king was only 34 years old when he gave that speech. he was not yet 40 when he was assassinated. my take on all that's been said about what martin luther king

would have thought, what the world would be like now. remember what the world was like when he did this, when he and the people black and white people like my dad marched in the south. it was a terrible, horrible situation where people had no -- look, you go -- get arrested for beating up a black person and get off by an all white jury, they didn't allow blacks on the jury. the time is so different. it is difficult to say if dr. king were here today, what. >> there's a lot of time spent on reflection. let's look forward. >> but let's also look back. he was "time" man of the year in 1963, nobel peace prize in 1964. those are incredible accomplishments at the time. we should focus on a positive, unifying message. when you listen to dr. king's speech, it should resonate and be applicable to all families, to whites, blacks, whatever your religious preference, whatever your classification of any sort,

whatever your gender, ethnicity, it should apply. that's the point. unify, not divide. >> listen to congressman john lewis who really brought the crowd to their feet. listen to what he had to say. not sure i love this sound bite, but take a listen. >> the scars and stains of racism still remain deeply embedded in american society. whether it is stop and frisk in new york or injustice in the trayvon martin case in florida. said to each one of us today, we must never give up, we must never give in. we must keep the faith and keep our eyes on the prize. >> that was the last living speaker from 50 years ago from that day in 1963. my problem is that here is a black leader, african-american leader, who had the chance to stand up, address the issues, problems of the marriage and the education and chose to do a stop and frisk and trayvon martin. >> another missed opportunity. when i heard him say keep your

eye on the prize, what's the prize, what are they working towards? all these issues that keep the black community down john lewis didn't include. i assume the prize was equality. but i actually agree with bob. i think dealing in hypotheticals, people that say if martin luther king junior were here, he would love obama care, i thought that was pretty presumptuous of the president to say. i bring up his niece again, alveda king, she said if her uncle were here, she knew him, she said if he were here, he would say pull your pants up, speak proper grammar, get your life in order, and again, president obama is the perfect person to say that. he is, whether you like him or not, a seemingly good father. his pants are pulled up, he has two degrees, he is very, very intelligent. he is an excellent role model. and he just misses opportunities time and again to address the point that you made, bob, and michelle obama as well. it is a cyclical thing. guys don't have dads, girls

don't have dads, they repeat the same behavior, it is destructive to men and women. >> i was going to say when you say we should have addressed these things, obama should have probably addressed them, you talk about the republicans that get virtually no votes from the black community, why don't republicans offer solutions? >> i made that point yesterday. i don't think the republican party has really addressed that. >> have they offered up anything? >> ben carson today, talked about married at 13 years old, father took off, he is a brain surgeon. i have to get to this. jamie foxx. listen to him compare himself and his group to civil rights leaders of the '60s. listen. >> what we need to do now is the young folks pick it up now so that when we're 87 years old, talking to the other young folks, we can say it was me, will smith, jay z, kanye, alicia

keyes, carrie washington. the list goes on and on. >> do you buy that? these are civil rights leaders? >> i think the leaders of today come from pop culture, not the pulpit. we have become so separated from religious traditions. it has been harmful to whites and blacks, but the reality is there are some people in pop culture had something productive to say, who knows. >> he made all those friends. >> i say this as a liberal, most of these people you list are liberal democrats, they're not saying enough. oprah for the first time she spoke out, probably the most powerful black voice in america. she never talked about these things. first time she got involved is when she endorsed obama. the hip-hop community and others that have that kind of power should say something about it. >> i agree. >> about republicans, i know there are some republicans that stand up, speak out, but i agree with you, bob, as a party republicans i think a lot of them are scared, a lot of them feel it is a political

nonstarter. then you see someone like george w. bush, who did try, made slight inroads and was demonized by certain black leaders. i think republican leaders should do more but i think they're afraid to do more. >> we have to leave it there. went a little long. george washington led the continental army to victory during the revolutionary war, patriot, hero, real leader. appears george washington wouldn't be welcome in president obama's military today, depending on things like the founding fathers were extremists or neonazis. ♪

♪ does the pentagon think the

founding fathers are a tad extreme? in a student guide titled extremism put up by department of defense, the founding fathers' effort to free them is extreme ideology. they warn that many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states rights and how to make the world a better place. sounds like bolling. when asked about this, a spokesman said we're not saying it is a bad thing. if you follow the the definition of the term, the kol nis meets the definition of extremist. better understanding the enemies not as enemies but variations on our heroes, so we can tolerate them in a politically sensitive way. as for people with strong values that stand up, fight justice, that's not extremism, that's heroism, that's bravery. different than flying planes into buildings, throwing acid into the faces of girls,

decapitating journalists or blowing up marathons. that's extremism. don't put the founding fathers in that group, you lunk heads. they would shoot you in the ass. that's not extremism, they only shot you in the [bleep]. >> the shoot thing, yeah. >> they shoot you in the butt. >> usually the kneecap. >> do you buy this description of the founding fathers? it was a suggestion, they say. >> right, no, i actually don't. i agree with you on this. >> thank you. >> let's move on. as long as you -- >> now that we're wearing green together. >> green is an extremist color. all right. this is going nowhere with you, kg. sorry i started with you. >> sorry you chose me. >> bob, went to the pentagon for a statement. this is what they had to say. >> why are you pointing there.

>> training material on extremism is intentionally written to generate provocative discussion, is not necessarily consistent with dod policy. blah blah blah. bob, what do you make of it. >> they could use the money doing more productive things. this is a 12 week course for spotting injustice and hatred in the battlefield, among fellow troops. remember, we talked about martin luther king, let's talk about it in terms of what the world was like when the founding fathers did what they did. it was extreme. they took them on and shot them in the ass. you have to look at it where they talked about it from the framework of history. yes, they were extreme then, would they be extreme now? who knows, they're not around. >> eric, as an extremist. >> i didn't know you came full

circle, compared me to extremists of the founding fathers, then called them heroic and brave. i'll take that compliment. i read that document. it is crazy, bob, you're right, spent a lot of money and time on that. they outlined hate crimes, for example. say someone pray paints a racist remark on a wall. how many times they spray paint it, falls in this category. more than three, goes to this category. causes $10,000 of damage or more or 1500, who wastes so much time and money trying to figure this out? there's hate, there's not, move on. >> i think it was politically motivated, andrea, used the definition, whether you fight for or against tyranny -- >> this is such a bunch of bull. the only similarity i found with the founding fathers and actual terrorists and real extremists is i guess both don't wear deodorant. that was maybe the only thing i could find. george washington at the time

had to be president because he didn't want to be president. that view i guess is extreme in today's washington, to not have somebody who actually lusts for power. this isn't any different than the dhs manual where they labeled right wing extremists, the head of the dod, hagel, made some pretty extreme comments himself. i just, you know, they're trying to say in this statement, bob, they're trying to spot extremism in the battlefield and military. how about major hasan. the culture of political correctness that permanent ee ats the department of defense, what they do with military chaplains, to what they do with everything, trying to demonize the right. it is a culture of political correctness, starts from the top and goes right to the white house. >> the defense department trying to demonize the right, maybe an element. greg is right. >> they missed that opportunity. there was extremism there. >> this is why i want to send ronan to west point.

duty, honor, country. >> and to get him out of the house. boy has to be a life, you know. ahead on "the five," kids get in the way. is the u.s. about to strike syria? according to the white house leaks we are. who is responsible for the leaks? i don't like leaks, they're too bitter. are they true? next. ♪

♪ well, the u.s. could be on the verge of striking syria after it recently waged a chemical attack against its own people. how do we know that? anonymous officials reported our army could attack as early as tomorrow. why is the obama administration leaking its own plans. we'll get to that in a moment. first, here is charles

krauthammer. >> what i'm concerned about is what we hear, leaks from the white house, deliberate leaks are, we're going to have a limited two or three day campaign, drop a couple of bombs, we will make a point, then retire from the field, because from the reports i read and what i heard, they explicitly say this is not intended to alter the strategic balance or course of the war. if that's the case, we should do nothing. >> eric, if it is not going to alter what's going on in syria, if it is not designed to hit assad or his palace, why are they leaking these anonymous leaks? >> again, let me preface this with i am absolutely pro-military. let me give you back and forth of my 15-year-old son last night. 2:00 in the morning came in, he is going to be in trouble for that. talking to him, said we're going to attack syria. he said why. i said because they used chemical weapons on their own people. he said why do we care about

that? because they use it on their people, innocent people die, we have always been the watchdog. he said what about benghazi, i said you mean libya? he said yeah. he is right. we're not sure who we are bombing. take a step back, figure out what's going on there, find out who our friends are, find out if the rebels are our friends. there are reports there are al qaeda ties and offshoots that are siding with the rebels. we have to be careful. i say take a step back. you're not going to end a war there, what are we doing. >> i think we know what they're doing, they're going to bomb some camel butts and that's what they're going to do because the president box checker that drew the red line last summer has to save face instead of lives. he has to look like he is doing something in syria, probably launch a couple missiles, be done with it. >> donkey butt is known as an ass ass. couple things, liberals under

bush screaming now is it a just war because it is just obama and not just bush? the other thing, it is odd to be on the same side as al qaeda. syria didn't fly planes into our buildings, al qaeda did. in this case, the enemy of our enemy is still our enemy. you can't just say now we're on the same side with them. >> wait a second, it is much different. you're talking about first use of chemical weapons since iran and iraq went at it with each other, they're killing thousands of people using chemical weapons. what we're going to do, go in and take out the syria military. >> how do you know that? >> we have intercepts to know that because of the nsa probably. we know about 50 targets, helicopters. >> you don't know it is the syrian government doing it. could be the rebels. long history of the war. >> there's a lot of intelligence. the reason it is leaking out, takes a lot to get it coordinated with our allies. british and french will send

ships, we have ships off their shore so good they can put them exactly where -- >> i want to get in kimberly. i think people are wondering why we are telegraphing our plans again to the world, again. >> again, because we have the wrong people in the white house that are making military decisions and i see a pattern of this. but that aside for bob who loses it over here, i think we should have done this already before. we had at the time, when obama's red line was crossed, we could have had assets there, naval destroyers, everybody there to do the stuff we needed to do without warning. now we told them what we're going to do ahead of time in telegraph. i don't know how strategic that approach is. >> what do you mean tell them, do you know how much communication to coordinate this with the u.n., france, germany. there's a lot of stuff comes out in the course of this. >> bob, do you not agree it is better to do it without telegraphing and warning. >> it is impossible.

>> no. >> are you one of those on the band wagon said we shouldn't have gone to iraq because of the intel and weapons of mass destruction, wasn't proven, perfected. >> this is proven. >> this is? >> absolutely. more intelligence on this as i understand it than anybody else. there's a lot of bodies burned by chemical weapons. >> why not get congressional approval. >> never get congressional approval because of the house. >> the nature of the places like syria, there's no orderly transfer of power, no democracy. it ends in violence and misery. there's no good side to beyond. it is up to america to decide whether we watch it happen or tip it over. i feel bad for the innocent people born into the hell where the bad devour the good. >> they are in fact using chemical weapons and women and children are being killed. don't we have responsibility to

do something? >> russia is involved, that's why syria is different from libya. >> we are not getting into a proxy war with russia. if we go in and bomb and assad doesn't step down, we have no moral interest in the country. next up. bob. as my 10th grade biology teacher would say, give the gums a rest. alec baldwin out of his cage, went rabid on another paparazzi.

!! he the aggressor yesterday? >> police say neither party are >> greg, you are one followed by the paparazzi all the time, you don't lose your temper. >> i don't. i welcome it. i think they're lovely people. i have to defend, to be fair and balanced, i have to defend alec. i was impressed by the moves. granted, the guy can't just thr against the car. >> he says it is self defense because the photographer rushed his wife and she just gave birth. >> it is great for msnbc, now you tune in to see if alec baldwin will go after a cameraman in his own studio as a reflex. >> forgot to mention that, talked about for an msnbc show? >> he will forget that's his cameraman, jump and wrestle him to the ground. >> you paparazzi, i'll get you.

>> he is in gre

♪ time now for one more thing. please send ointment for my legs. so i had a great time at disneyworld and lego land and animal kingdom.

we had mickey mouse, exciting, went to disneyland in l.a. last year, never saw mickey. that's ronan driving, i was driving behind him and crashed the car. >> look at that hat. >> this is a present from andrea's mom, a buzz light year. i wore it. there's ronan in front of the white house at lego land, they have replicas of barack obama, michelle, the daughters, and bo, the dog. they need to update it for sonny. very sweet. and minnie was cute, too. had an amazing time. >> he is cute. >> it was a great trip. wonderful. >> i love it when fox employees show everybody their vacation. >> you showed the dancing in the

polynesian thing. what happened? >> bad phrase! rabbit hole. you know when you try to explain something, nobody has an answer, they'll say just take this down the rabbit hole, meaning whatever you said is off topic. shut up with the rabbit hole. only thing goes in a rabbit hole is a rabbit and your face. >> stick it in the bunny hole. >> bob, you are a sick, sick human being. >> i was asking what's wrong with him. it will take years to explain. >> it is that time of year, kids going back to school. check out tracy's back to school dance, does it every year when the kids get on the school bus. watch. ♪ ♪ bye-bye bye >> she does this as the kids go to school. a lot of moms know that feeling.

>> bob is like is that richard simmons? >> her kids are probably glad they're going in the other direction. >> andrea? >> oh, okay. that's me. miley cyrus, we talked about her yesterday for the raunchy performance when she played the hoochie card. she posted these pictures to twitter, another desperate attempt for attention. there she is in a thong in a locker room, trying to get people to support her. no one has praised her performance as artful, wonderful. the creative community in hollywood is not defending her, except for justin timberlake said leave her alone, it is the vmas. then again, weren't you the one with janet jackson with the nip slip? that's right. of course you're going to defend miley. >> did that in the super bowl. >> yeah. of course he'll come out, say

leave her alone. >> true, fact. >> thank you. i was thinking about andrea's comments about her brother yesterday which were very moving and heart felt, got me thinking about my dad on martin luther king's 50th anniversary. my dad as i said many times worked with dr. king, in conflict with the police 50 some times in the south. he didn't live long enough to see barack obama elected president, but my dad did an enormous amount of good work in the civil rights movement, i am very proud of him. i wish he had a chance to see that. i have a feeling he knows that in his own way. pop, i know it will be another couple weeks the anniversary of your passing, and i miss you very much and i'm proud of you, glad you gave us that legacy of people that believe in civil rights and liberties. miss you as much as dr. king. >> i mentioned rest of the disneyworld thing, we went to a polynesian party.

they have fire gods. >> stop with this! >> no, look at this. this is the guy i was dancing with. this is the most humiliating thing i've done. thing i've done. welcome to "red eye." it is like full house if by full you mean empty and by house you mean a tub because i buried everyone. due to andy levy's untimely death of choking on a whisker there is no pre game report and let's welcome our guests. there she is. she is so sharp swiss army knives take her when they go camping. and then she stabs them in the face. i am here with kennedy, the special correspondent on business network stossel and " -- the kennedy cover. in bookstores now. and filling in for andy levy is